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MoldyRiceFrenzy · Apr 20, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

pvp uses maximum crap armor... it sucks... why not just make a pvp char then??? the only reason i make pve chars is because they are unique when u use them in pvp... now i get to use crappy normal armor just like a pvper...

why not just delete my pve char since ill never get any shiny stuff anymore anyways... (except that i got acouple nice stuff that'll keep my chars from being terminated *obviously found b4 update during my literally* spare time)

Dusk_ · Apr 20, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by Perynne

First of all, I can solo and I don't think it's too much of an effort, I just don't like to do it. As a person who enjoys doing missions with others and running quests, I've always felt VERY left out of the swing of things because it seems like only farmers can get high-end items and armor. They're the only ones who could afford it, and only because they got the drops of the entire group whenever they went out and killed things. Sure, I could do that too, but I don't like to. I LIKE the social aspect of the game, and it just seemed so unfair that playing the game like it was meant to be played yielded less drops than playing it alone.

The problem isn't that there are better rewards for playing with people. The problem is that they didn't do that.

Drop rates weren't increased in the slightest, as far as I (and others) can tell. In an 8 man group you still get 1 item per enemy every time, and it's still split among all 8 of you. Instead, playing solo gives you 1/8th of the drops, two players gives 2/8th, etc.

So, guess what. Remember that high end equipment only farmers could afford? Now no one can afford them.

Sheol · Apr 20, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by //RogueNine

Explain why its in the game if not to attain? Sorry if this sounds like a flame but thats a completely illogical post and is just screaming for a response.

wouldnt be too worried hes been flaming in every other thread on the topic.

baz777 · Apr 20, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Gaile,

You say ‘designed to support the social aspects of game play’ – Heroes killed that stone dead in NF

Reducing the drop rate, (removing the anti-farming code makes no difference to this), will kill solo farming. Just not worth the effort anymore.

This is, in my opinion, a bad move for the game in general.

This will completely change the GW economy in my opinion and result in the poor staying poor!

'Universal outpouring of appreciation' – I think not!

//RogueNine · Apr 20, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Beats me. I dunno. Something to waste excessive amounts of money on? In every case, YOU DO NOT NEED IT.

Well technically you dont NEED to play this game, but you do so for fun right?

Noz Crow · Apr 20, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

I just can't believe they thought it would go unnoticed. I really don't even solo, my 8 toons have the necessary equipment and gadgets. I prefer to do missions with Pug's and guildies and do quests with heroes and henchies, but I know I am in the minority of people that have played this game as long as i have. My only advice is when you release GW2 and make it a kickarse game, plz don't take out all the aspects that make it fun in updates(nerfs).

David Spooky · Apr 20, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

So no farm code, but now I have to work 8 times harder and longer to get the same ammount of gold I used to? What happened to anet not wanting Guild Wars to be a grindfest? Seems like a step in an opposite direction to me. =\

Jibrail · Apr 20, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Mad King Corn

I don't understand why they didnt just make it so that for each player on your list, the drop rates increase by x% instead of punishing those of us that do like to reduce the number of players. Everyone could have been happy.

anet has a nerf mentality, they nerf things instead of buffing the counters to what they think is a problem.

net effect, frustrated players.

Corinthian · Apr 20, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Oh that's a classic one. Fun doesn't equal armors which I can attain by not having fun which would equal solo farming.

explodemyheart · Apr 20, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Beats me. I dunno. Something to waste excessive amounts of money on? In every case, YOU DO NOT NEED IT.

In the same vein, you also don't need to play the game. You play it do have fun, correct?

Some people enjoy getting armor. I know that I, for one, enjoyed earning money for the armor of my choice. I had fun.

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Oh that's a classic one. Fun doesn't equal armors which I can attain by not having fun which would equal solo farming.

Congratulations, you've realized that people are different and have differing opinions!

I enjoyed farming, as did countless other people. You didn't. So what, that doesn't mean you're more right nor does it mean we are. At least the option was there. Now there is no option other than to do nothing but play the game normally.

Sk8tborderx · Apr 20, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

Just because I have posted it in all of the farming nerf threads, and because it will let Gaile understand why people hate the change:

Here is an example of why it is so bad:

This was with a full group, I got similar results when I did this solo.

David Spooky · Apr 20, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Oh that's a classic one. Fun doesn't equal armors which I can attain by not having fun which would equal solo farming.

That's your opinion champ. Some people like myself love solo farming because it takes you away from the PUG elitist-fest and makes you feel like a badass.

Glints Bane · Apr 20, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Explain why you need 15k armor.

I had no problem acquiring maximum armor with standard gameplay.

no one needs 15k armor...but its in that game so someone can look good and feal good about themselves...but whats the point now? the way Anet seems to be going they should just take fissure armors and 15k armors out of the game..

Now on topic...I think that Gaile and the rest of Anet will find that their servers run better with less people on them. When all those kids and adults have their weekend to play and they get on they will be in a total uproar. Sorry Anet but you screwed yourself...at least the idea of a non-subscription game lasting this long was good...hope blizzard takes yall back.

Sheol · Apr 20, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Oh that's a classic one. Fun doesn't equal armors which I can attain by not having fun which would equal solo farming.

Please just stop

Winterclaw · Apr 20, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Personally I think nerfering solo farming is a good thing, because it goes against the idea of an online game, but I feel that Anet should have done more to premote team farming (e.g increasing the loot for each human in your team) this would work better for casual players who could play the game without worrying if he will have the money for armor.

Overrall, good update.

I agree that they should have upped the drop rate for group farmers or did something like having a monster drop one thing for every PC in the group. My first impression of the update however is different than yours. I think it's a bad update because keeping farmable objects in supply kept the costs of them down for the players. That's how economics works. Since there is now no reason to solo farm, and people won't do it, except for the challenge. Furthermore if this update deters farmers from going out and doing their thing, prices will go up even more.

So drop rates are down, GP drops in hard mode aren't anything to brag about either (which might be sole good thing in an otherwise bad update), there's less incentive to farm, and lockpicks break too easily unless you've spent a ton of money on opening chests (at least 60K for the first TH title and a 2% boost) or the lucky title which is pretty rare to get and expenisve as well.

JR, if anet wanted to stop botting they'd go to granite citidel and start taking the names of all the bot monks who leave the town the exact same way.

Corinthian · Apr 20, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Sheol

Please just stop

OK I will.12

Winterclaw · Apr 20, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by baz777

Gaile,

You say ‘designed to support the social aspects of game play’ – Heroes killed that stone dead in NF

Try not to use facts here, they aren't going to help the situation.

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Originally Posted by david spooky

So no farm code, but now I have to work 8 times harder and longer to get the same ammount of gold I used to? What happened to anet not wanting Guild Wars to be a grindfest? Seems like a step in an opposite direction to me. =\

It's not a grindfest, you just need 7 more people to go with you and hand over all the loot.

Westofeden · Apr 20, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I am unsure what you're talking about. Overall, I see a nearly universal outpouring of appreciation for the update.

You should really try going to ToA a dist 1 or any other place where people farm. That is if anyone is still there.

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Originally Posted by Perynne

First of all, I can solo and I don't think it's too much of an effort, I just don't like to do it. As a person who enjoys doing missions with others and running quests, I've always felt VERY left out of the swing of things because it seems like only farmers can get high-end items and armor. They're the only ones who could afford it, and only because they got the drops of the entire group whenever they went out and killed things.

I farm but I don't run around with a ele sword or some other highly expensive weapon. I don't even have 1 set of 15k armor I spend ALL of my money on making new toons or getting weapons for my heros (they also do not have very expensive weapons). I'm a casual farmer if I need money I would like to farm the UW once get a ecto and buy whatever I need then go on my way beating the game again.

IMO this was one of the biggest mess-ups anet has done so far.

pintpointfive · Apr 20, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Perynne

You know, it's sad to see that so many people play this game just for the loot and money.... what about the actual challenge of the game? Playing alone is fun, when you're trying to test your skills against the environment. Reducing that challenge's worth to how much loot you get just seems silly and pointless.
And hey, you can still solo. Now you'll just be getting the same amount of drops as the rest of us.

I think this update is just great. Thank you so much Anet, and Gaile, I'm with you guys on this one.

Shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up.

Lews · Apr 20, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by pintpointfive

Shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up.

Quoted for motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing emphasis.